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Ziggy
XM Freak!


Joined: 06 Feb 2004
Posts: 7409
Location: New York, NY
Primary Radio: Pioneer Inno |
Delphi Mobile Navigation NA10000-11B1 Review
Delphi Mobile Navigation NA10000-11B1
I travel a lot by car, so over the past 5 years I have learned to rely on my trusty GPS navigation unit to get me from place to place efficiently. I have been a big fan of the Garmin Streetpilot series and have owned every one from the first one made with the monochrome screen, up to the StreetPilot III. But for me, its time for a change.
Enter the Mobile Navigation from Delphi model NA10000.
What’s in the box?
The unit comes with a complete package! Everything you need is included. You get the Mobile Navigation unit, mapping software for the entire continental USA and Hawaii on 4 CD’s, a car and home power supply, a USB cable for data transfer, a protective carry case and screen cleaner, and finally mounting hardware. The mounting hardware included is a suction-cup mount for a smooth, hard surface such as your windshield (be sure NOT to obstruct your view!), and either an adhesive or screw down mount for your dash.
At first glance, the Delphi Mobile Navigation is similar to other units on the market, with a relatively large bright screen, and a number of navigation buttons on the right. The unit weighs in at just over 12 ounces, but that is almost irrelevant since it does not use batteries, and is only meant for in-vehicle use.
I opted to use the suction cup mount and can happily report back that this mount is very adjustable and extremely stable and solid while driving. There is virtually no shaking or jittering going on making the screen easy to see no matter what terrain you encounter. Using the suction cup mount, the unit is easily and quickly able to move from vehicle to vehicle, without damage or leaving any marks.
Getting Started...
Upon opening the box, the unit has absolutely no mapping data on it. This makes the first step a required one, and makes me a bit antsy to get it working. SLOW DOWN! You must install the software that comes with the unit onto your computer, and follow any and all directions carefully that may appear to complete the process. Do not plug the USB cable in until promted to do so.
Once installed, and your computer is successfully communication with your Delphi MN (Mobile Navigation), you then need to install the base maps that you will be using. This is a simple process. Simply insert the correct CD into your drive, click on the regions you want and click to upload. No sweat! The MN comes with 64 MB of built in RAM, and you can add up to an additional 256 MB via a SD (Secure Digital) or MMC (Multimedia Card) flash RAM cards that insert into the top of the unit.
I strongly recommend getting the maximum 256 MB memory card add-on to minimize having to load and replace the base maps that only the 64 MB will hold. 64 MB may sound like a lot when you come from the Garmin StreetPilot family, but these new maps rom NavTech seem to be much more detailed and gobble up significantly more megabytes - but this is what makes using this unit such a pleasure; extremely detailed maps.
Turn it on!
Once the unit is powered and securely mounted in your vehicle, the fun begins. As soon as the power button is pressed, you get an amazing full color splash screen that screams at you through the high-quality crisp, clear 3.8" diagonal, 320x240, 256 colors color LCD display. The viewing angle on this baby is very wide and the brightness of it is such that it does not get washed out even in the brightest sun. Read the quick tutorial, or press OK a few times and you are in the main menu.
The menus are very simple to understand, and controls are just as easy to figure out and operate. I won’t go into much detail about menu navigation, just be aware that the buttons on the unit are very responsive and menu navigation is quick. Performing any process on this unit is done without hesitation or delay. Delphi packed plenty of processing power into this MN unit and it shows.
It may take up to 2 minutes for the MN to get its initial GPS location, but once you get that, and turn it off/on within a few mile radius, the “warm” start up time is about 15 seconds. As soon as you get a good GPS signal and the unit finds your location, go straight to the maps. You will be blown away by the detail and clarity of the screen, I promise you that. This is the first GPS unit that I am using in my car and do not have a need to hook up to my laptop for better software and display.
Features, features, features...
The first thing I noticed that was just way too cool about the way you see mapping info on this unit is its 3-D views! Check this out:
An amazing birds-eye-view is now available for a perspective not available before on a GPS unit of this price-range. This view gives you a great way to see the layout of what’s ahead without having to think hard about perspective. The best part about this 3-D view, is that once you are in the 3-D mode, you can even adjust the height of the horizon!
All these view changes are done in real-time, at the press of a button. No special menus to go into, no waiting for anything to load. You simply press a button and within a fraction of a second, the display changes. That is what makes this unit so great; all the processing power you need is in there.
In the standard two dimensional view, you can use the 8-way cursor button to scroll to any location you want. Again, there is absolutely no hesitation, or delay, and you can just keep scrolling smoothly until you go all the way around the world, at any zoom level. In the past, with other GPS units, this type of scrolling was available, but every time the cursor moved off-screen, the unit paused and had to take a few seconds to load the next frame.
Another cool feature that works remarkably well is the “Auto Zoom”. In traditional GPS navigation receivers, auto-zoom level was usually based on how far you are from your destination. Not so here. With the Delphi MN, auto-zoon level is determined by your speed. Go slow, and the unit zooms in so you can see each street that is coming up. Speed up, like on a highway, and the unit zooms out so you have plenty of time to see what’s up ahead. Ingenious.
Destination?
As with any good navigation unit, it has to be easy to find you way. Get into the “destination” menu and again, menus are very self-explanatory and easy to use:
Choose the type of destination, and using the 8-way cursor pad, enter the first few letters and the auto-fill starts to narrow down your choices.
Once you find your destination and click “GO”, the route summary is available for viewing:
And if looking at a map does nothing for you, an instruction screen is also available always displaying the next 4 instructions:
The route is highlighted on your map at any zoom level:
When Zoomed in close enough, the Points of Interest along the route are displayed, and using the cursor, when you pass over them, the unit will display the information for that POI, so you know what to look for, if interested.
Not only are all these routing tools available for you to look at, but since you are driving, and usually on your own, the Delphi MN has a built in speaker in the back, which is plenty loud to be heard over most road and wind noise. Select from either a male of female voice, and it will audibly prompt you for turns and any other navigational routing requirements throughout your trip. Plenty of warning is provided and the voice is very clear. Keep your eyes on the road!
Ofcourse as with any text entry without a keyboard, it may be a bit tedious when having to use your thumb, so Delphi added a “favorites” section for your destinations. Enter up to 10 quick shortcuts, and up to 100 total destinations which can be stored in memory to be called up anytime you are “lost” and need to get back to where you want to go.
The units navigation also takes into account that sometimes people take wrong turns, or its simply unavoidable to go the planned route due to traffic or construction. Delphi has built in a “Back-On-Track” feature that automatically recalculates your route if you stray off the pre-determined path. Never be lost or taken by surprise again - no matter how bad it gets out there.
Conclusion;
When you look at all the features and processing power packed into this unit, you must understand its function, before passing any judgment on it. First and foremost, its an in-vehicle navigation tool. Its is not a GPS unit that will be as useful for geo-caching or any other such GPS function as a simple $100 dedicated GPS may be. This unit does not take any batteries, so again, its for in-vehicle use only.
But when it comes to in-vehicle navigation, this unit not only rivals, but surpasses some of today’s best built in vehicle navigation systems. With its fluid smooth scrolling, 3-D views, voice prompts, Back-On-Track routing, and brilliantly bright color screen, it just doesn’t get any better. This has already completely replaced my Steetpilot / laptop combination which I have been using for years.
Retail price is $899.99. The Delphi Mobile Navigation is available at a special introductory price at MyRadioStore.com:
http://store.myradiostore.com/demonana.html _________________ www.MyRadioStore.com - XM Radio & Opie & Anthony Hats/Shirts. The latest XM Hardware and ALL Accessories! Pioneer Inno, Skyfi 3, Samsung Helix, and More!
Last edited by Ziggy on Mon Jul 05, 2004 10:49 pm; edited 2 times in total
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Tue Apr 20, 2004 9:12 am |
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MRMOTO
XM411 Nut!


Joined: 19 Mar 2004
Posts: 155
Location: Nebraska
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WOW
Sounds Great!
Sign me up asap!
ahh, take payment plans!!
That is on top of my christmas list.
To my self, for my self, by self. _________________ Friendship is like pissing in your pants,
Everyone can see it,
But only you
Can feel its true warmth.
Thanks for being the piss running down my leg.
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Tue Apr 20, 2004 12:27 pm |
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chim
I live Here


Joined: 11 Feb 2004
Posts: 377
Location: Phoenix for the Winter
Primary Radio: Sky Fi (old) |
Looks like it takes the "fun" out of driving the RV across country. Half of the adventure is being lost and trying to figure out how to get out of the mess without backing up!!
Now to convince the accountant that I really NEED one of these babies!
Chim
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Tue Apr 20, 2004 5:33 pm |
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xmchic
Postwhore, First Class


Joined: 18 Feb 2004
Posts: 17896
Location: brrrrrr
Primary Radio: SkyFi 1 |
Excellent idea for hubby!
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Tue Apr 20, 2004 9:49 pm |
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MikeV
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Joined: 07 Feb 2004
Posts: 6222
Location: Leesburg, VA
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Wow. Consider me sold.
The only down-side I immediately find is the lack of a serial data output, so I might be hanging on to my current GPS (the now discontinued Garmin eMap) for my ham radio for a bit longer, or at least until I can find a workable (non-display) replacement for it. It's been with me in my cars for over 40,000 miles.
But wow... those screen shots and the level of detail are very cool! The voice feature of it sounds interesting too. I'll see if I can get a recording of it somehow, maybe with my voice recorder or something.
My only concern with jumping on this so soon is... could there be a later version that you add an external antenna for both GPS and XM, to receive XM's future traffic data service? :X But no worry, there's always eBay for when such a product does become available.
- Mike
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Wed Apr 21, 2004 6:42 am |
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MikeV
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Joined: 07 Feb 2004
Posts: 6222
Location: Leesburg, VA
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Two quick notes...
1. If the back of the CD case says that the software has been pre-registered, PLEASE DO NOT go through the activation process, despite what the install program says!!!!!!! At least for the next few days, anyway. They are working on loading product keys into their servers still, and just running the activation process clears a part of the flash memory on the device that removes the pre-activated status of the device, making it unusable until they get their servers straight.
2. The system seems to work with SD cards larger than 256MB also. I have a 512MB card and loaded it with over 300 megs (almost all of the Eastern CD), and all of the state names appeared in the maps list. As long as it's formatted as FAT/FAT16 (not FAT32), it should work. FAT/FAT16 has a limit of 2GB, so in theory, even one of the newer 1GB SD cards should work too.
Of course, since none of these maps are actually displaying (because of item #1), there might be an internal limit of 256MB that can actually be selected/displayed at a time. That much I don't know yet.
- Mike
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Sat Apr 24, 2004 7:27 am |
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MikeV
Moderator


Joined: 07 Feb 2004
Posts: 6222
Location: Leesburg, VA
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Well, I finally got mine activated... After playing with it, it's definitely a cool system, but I'm not all impressed with the detail of the map data.
I've been living in my current apartment for over 2 years now. Last year's MS Mappoint data at least had the first phase of my apartment complex, and one of the small side-roads leading to the second phase. On the web, the current data they have has the entire complex in it. But the data for the nav system, labeled with a 2003 copyright, has 0. None of it whatsoever.
Then, for another test, I noticed that it had a few of the Metro stations. So I went looking for the end of the Orange line, the Vienna/Fairfax station. I found one of the parking lots and one of the parking garages, but not the station itself, and not the other lot and garage (there's one of each on each side of I-66). ?!?! What good is it to put just the underground Metro stations on the map, when chances are very good that you can't park near them?!
I'm still playing with the 256MB limit thing... Tip: If you REALLY put that much data into a memory card, NEVER zoom out to try and see the whole east coast. The system slows down CONSIDERABLY, even going through the menus, almost to an unusable state. I ended up ejecting the memory card so it had to unload those maps, bringing it back down to just MD/VA/DC (which I loaded into the system itself). As an aside, I could fit all of the east coast CD (with the exception of those three areas) onto my 512MB memory card with enough space left over for probably one more state. Maybe two, depending on the density/size of the states. Oh, and 512MB for my card means 512,000,000 bytes, which ends up being something like 485MB, because to Windows, 1MB = 1,024,000 bytes.
- Mike
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Mon Apr 26, 2004 8:17 am |
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MikeV
Moderator


Joined: 07 Feb 2004
Posts: 6222
Location: Leesburg, VA
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And one last gripe, then I'm done for a bit.
Any state road that is numbered as well as named shows as
HWY-###
. Most of the time, though, I know names, not numbers, so the display of these numbers, instead of names, is completely and totally annoying. There should be an option to show the name instead, or both (i.e.
Name/###
or
Name (###)
).
- Mike
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Mon Apr 26, 2004 3:14 pm |
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Shibby
Moderator


Joined: 07 Feb 2004
Posts: 1111
Location: Macomb, Michigan
Primary Radio: The Delphi XM MyFi |
After my recent cross-country trip, I learned the value of a good navigation system (even if I'm not *really* lost.)
The Delphi Nav System looks like a great unit and I've decided to get one... I'll post my impressions after I spend a little time with it. _________________ - Mike
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Tue Apr 27, 2004 8:16 pm |
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Shibby
Moderator


Joined: 07 Feb 2004
Posts: 1111
Location: Macomb, Michigan
Primary Radio: The Delphi XM MyFi |
I've been using the Delphi Nav System for over a month now, and I have to say that overall, I'm very pleased with this purchase. I'm
very
impressed with the hardware. The software is pretty good as well.
This is a rugged unit. The buttons are large and easy to use. The display is one of the best I've seen - it looks great in direct sun and at night. The antenna works great through the windshield, and even put up a pretty good fight against my old unshielded Roady (I've since exchanged that Roady for a newer one - no problems at all now.) The voice prompts are plenty loud and distinct. Also, the suction cup mount works great! I have no qualms with the way the Delphi Nav System was built. It is solid.
I will say that I'm a huge fan of the 3-D view!! It gives a great perspective of what's ahead. Closer roads are larger and roads that are off in the distance are smaller. The screen zooms in and out depending on your speed. No need to split the screen to show you a detail of your turn! This is a unique and useful way of displaying the map - it is my favorite view. Very slick!
The amount of data at your fingertips is incredible! Shops, restaurants, banks... the list goes on. These places are generally easy to find, although you have to specify the search location (city, state) manually. I would like to see a way to search for things within a given radius of my current location. This would be perfect while traveling down the freeway.
The maps are generally good and very detailed as you can see in Ziggy's pictures above. I've noticed a few street name spelling errors. Some of the map data is just plain obsolete. For example, the map refers to a town now called "Eastpointe" as its former name of "East Detroit." That change happened over a decade ago. Pretty minor stuff, overall, I suppose. Maps are always changing and need to be updated, anyway.
The navigation is generally good. The back-on-track feature works quite well. The voice prompts are appropriately timed given the speed you are traveling. I've lived in the Detroit area my whole life, and I can honestly say I've found new, effective, shortcuts using this unit.
I do have a couple of issues with the navigation system, however. I cannot see any method to specify a point of interest in the middle of my route. For example, I would like the ability to add a specific city/point of interest to my route, even if it is not directly in the path of my ultimate destination. As of now, I essentially need to complete two separate routes to do this.
“Michigan Left” Issues… Many main roads in the Detroit area are boulevard style roads with occasional cuts in the median to perform left turns. Something like this:
code:
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) ( ) ( ) (
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Often, the unit interprets these left turn areas as something to avoid unless you are actually going to use one to make a left … so it tells you to “bear right” every time you pass one. It is mildly annoying after a little while – as they are usually only several hundred feet apart! I believe Delphi has an email address to submit map feedback and I’ll send my issues on to them.
Again, I want to stress that I really love the unit, overall. With the 256 MB SD card I have added, I can have the entire Midwest loaded at the same time. Map installation really is a snap. The Nav unit works well for me and I’m glad I purchased it. All the minor issues I have with the system really can be worked out with software updates. I have no issues with the hardware whatsoever. This thing has earned a spot on the dash!
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Sat Jun 05, 2004 1:19 pm |
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GLHS178
XM411 Newbie

Joined: 18 Jun 2004
Posts: 1
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Mounting questions
I'm new to the whole navigation thing, and I was wondering if anyone could explain some mounting details with the unit? Does it have to be attached to the windshield or on top of the dash? In other words, does it need to be in direct view of the sky? I would like to place it lower in the car. IE. Under the radio right in front of my shifter.
Also, how is the mounting hardware? Do they use some type of adhesive or suction cup to mount it to the dash or...
Thank you all for your time,
Evan
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Fri Jun 18, 2004 1:49 pm |
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Shibby
Moderator


Joined: 07 Feb 2004
Posts: 1111
Location: Macomb, Michigan
Primary Radio: The Delphi XM MyFi |
Re: Mounting questions
quote:
Originally posted by GLHS178:
I'm new to the whole navigation thing, and I was wondering if anyone could explain some mounting details with the unit? Does it have to be attached to the windshield or on top of the dash? In other words, does it need to be in direct view of the sky? I would like to place it lower in the car. IE. Under the radio right in front of my shifter.
Also, how is the mounting hardware? Do they use some type of adhesive or suction cup to mount it to the dash or...
Thank you all for your time,
Evan
If you are using the integrated antenna, I'd suggest that you mount it on top of the dash or windshield for the best reception, YMMV, though. If you'd prefer to mount the unit elsewhere there is, I believe, an optional external antenna you could use.
As mentioned before, the suction cup mount works great. You can stick it to the windshield or to a plate (provided.) This plate in turn can be attached directly to your dash or to a vehicle specific mount from Pro-Fit, for example.
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Mon Jun 21, 2004 8:15 pm |
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david3347
XM411 Newbie

Joined: 09 Nov 2004
Posts: 1
Location: Los Angeles, CA
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Delphi NA10000 navigation
For those of you who live on the West coast, pay close attention if you try to locate a destination by zipcode. Numerous errors in the database maps supplied. Have not been able to get resolution from either Delphi or Tele Atlas North America. Responses to emails from either company non-existent. Only support has been from Navman USA (they manufacture the product for Delphi, and is same as iCN630)
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Tue Nov 09, 2004 11:27 pm |
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djlong
I live Here


Joined: 10 Feb 2004
Posts: 359
Location: NH
Primary Radio: SkyFi2 |
Now, if this unit could integrate the NavTraffic data...... _________________ dj
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Wed Nov 10, 2004 8:02 am |
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Dbrockman2
XM411 Freshman


Joined: 03 Mar 2005
Posts: 41
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Maybe I missed this somewhere in the thread, does this recieve the radio signal as well?
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Thu Apr 28, 2005 2:50 pm |
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